Grape Seed, Pycnogenol, ALA, Glisodin
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Grape Seed, Pycnogenol, ALA, Glisodin | |
| Anyone taking these supplements and having success with them regarding papules, flushing etc?
Go back a bit on the boards and everyone was talking about them, but I haven't heard mention of them much recently. I'm thinking of going in for some heavy supplementing (to try and strengthen my capillary walls) since these p&p's are driving me absolutely crazy. I can't describe how much they wind me up. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: | |
| Alex,
Aren't you still taking the antibiotics? If you are still getting a # of p&p's perhaps they are becoming ineffective for you and you should try another? Just a thought. I am so tempted to go back on them. The p&p's are driving me nuts also. It is so frustrating. I know Sarah loves the grapeseed extract and I think pycnogenol for strengthening the capillary walls. I am not sure about glisodin. I did take it last summer when I was bicycling and such outside. Can't say if it helped which is pretty much the case with all the supplements I am taking or have taken. There never seems to be any clear cut reaction for me. Melissa |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: | |
| I am still taking the antibiotics. Its possible they're decreasing in effectiveness, although...well, do we know for sure that they do that?
It occurred to me, today actually, that in not doing anything to repair the capillary walls I'm basically leaving the condition untreated. Forget magnesium, forget my silly 'cleanse' tea - how can these be effective when my veins are in tatters? And after all, leakage from these vessels is what causes p&p's. I don't know why but I had some aversion to this theory before. Now it seems plain as. Look up glisodin and/or superoxide dismutase - some hopeful reports a while back. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: | |
| I love pycnogenol. I have taken it for years and get really panicky if I run out. For me it helps with general redness and flushing. | |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: | |
| Oh yes and grape seed extract. I used t take this and then switched to pycnogenol. | |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: | |
| How much pycnogenol do you take? ...And is there a reason why you swapped? | |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: | |
| ...and is it right that you can substitute pine bark for pycnogenol? | |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: | |
| Not really I think I got a better deal on the pycnogenol but saying that I think Dr Nase's book said that the same dose of the pycnogenol was more effective than grape seed extract but I would have to check this.
Pine bark and pycnogenol are the same thing I think, but make sure you get marine pine bark http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/98legacy/02_05_98a.html |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: | |
| Sarah,
What does the pycnogenol do for you exactly? I mean, what difference do you notice from taking it? Thanks, Melissa PS Alex, I did read all that stuff about the glisodin which is why I started taking it in the first place. What I meant was that I took it at least for 4 months and can't say I noticed any effect. Also, I do think it is possible for the antibiotics to lose their effectiveness for an individual after taking it for a long time. I would say it depends on the individual though and that this isn't a for sure thing. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: | |
| Melissa,
You've probably put it about right, re. the antibiotics. I have been pulse-dosing for the past while, partly to see if it makes a difference and partly to try and improve the absorption of the minerals I'm taking (since they interfere with one-another). It could be coincidence but I think I've seen increased p&p's from doing this (the dose reduction, plus the inhibitory effect of the minerals)... That's disappointing about the glisodin... |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: | |
| Alex,
I'm beginning to think that all these supplements may be doing more harm than good. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing and there is evidence every day that many of these supplements are harmful. I am feeling frustrated and overwhelmed right now because in the last month I have stopped and started several different supplements due to new evidence that they are bad/good. I am beginning to think my doctors are correct in that I should be taking NO supplements whatsoever because we just don't know enough about all the mechanisms they work by. And what effects they have in conjunction with all the other stuff we are on/taking and other conditions that we may have. For example, grapeseed and vit c can increase bp dangerously. And you don't have to be taking vit c to have this effect as there is a lot of vit c in many things we eat every day. This is just 1 example. There are thousands more unfortunately and there is no way of knowing all the effects. Not to mention quality control of the herbal suplements. We have no way of knowing what they say is in the supplement really is because (at least in the US) herbal supplements are not regulated by the FDA like prescription drugs are. I just don't know anymore. Best wishes, Melissa |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: | |
| I hear what you're saying, Melissa. I used (before rosacea) to be scornful of the whole supplement industry. I know that, for me, hope is playing a far bigger role than knowledge.
That said, isn't it the case that at least some of the more established supplements are fairly well researched?? I mean, GliSODin seems practically a drug anyway, the amount of conscious synthesis that has gone into it. And, on the other side, isn't it also true that the mechanisms of many regulated drugs aren't known; or are hypothesized about after they have proved beneficial?? I know its not as close a thing as that really... I have occasionally thought that I should actually do a medicine course or something; but maybe that would be the rosacea consuming even more of my life... |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: | |
| The sad thing is that I have a very strong science background and that it has done me little good regarding rosacea. I was the opposite of you in that I had a strong belief of supplementation as a good healthy way to go and only now I realize how dangerous its effects can be. And how much we truly don't know. And while the same may be true (somewhat) of the Rx drug industry it is simply under tighter regulatory control than the herbal industry and more scientific stringent testing has been accomplished on the Rx drugs vs. the natural supplements. | |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: | |
| There is, if I remember, a research article linking superoxide dismutase deficiency and rosacea.
I used the stuff - for some period - a year or two back. It was good. The only supplement that has actually made an appreciable difference (and, over the years, I have tried lots..). Pleasingly, the results should come quickly too. A few days or a week perhaps. If you see no improvements in short order, you can quit taking it. RLT has done such a great job, I stopped taking it. I still have one sealed and unopened bottle of the tablets. I will gladly send it to you if you like, MediumDog. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: | |
Stop, Melissa, you're putting me off my Evening Primrose Oil capsules!! 
Aren't you overstating the case a little? I mean, used within reason, the worst that will happen for most people is surely just nothing. Isn't "dangerous" going too far? You know, in most cases, I know there are allergies, and sensitivities etc. And on how much we don't know - well, nobody knows the full physiological effects of taking an aspirin if we're talking really high detail. I'm arguing some lame points here. Anyway. GJ: What did it help with? And is it Glisodin, or just plain old SOD, and what's the difference? Thanks for the offer, that's really nice - what country do you live in? |
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