Do you think I have Rosacea or Seb-derm?
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Do you think I have Rosacea or Seb-derm? | |
| Ok.. I have asked this at least twice, but I have never really been satisfied with any awnser yet.
I am 18 years old/male who has had redness for approx 4 years. I have redness on my nose and cheeks (moreso on the nose) and it looks quite inflamed. Heres a closeup of my nose: http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5567/nose2tk2.png -- you can see the broken capillaries and inflamation. Heres a quick sketch of where the redness is generally (because the redness on cheeks in next pic arent very visible): http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2946/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagk2.jpg , and a real pic (during a flush -- the cheeks usually become more inflamed in a bad flush though, it almost looks like I have a mask of redness on those exact areas -- it rarely flushes that badly *well at least now*, and when it does flush badly I can feel a pulsing feeling in my nose and burning  ): http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8206/aaaaaaus1.jpg )
I don't know if I have rosacea or seb-derm; both dermatologists I have seen (I don't trust either, they pushed me to use cortisone, and when I did it really hurt my skin) have diagnosed me with seb dermatitis, and one general doctor diagnosed a 'rosaceous seb-derm'. I don't think I have seb-dermatitis because: 1.) The hydrocortisone cleared up my face for one day, then it came back VERY bad. Wouldn't it have stayed clear if I had SD? 2.) The shampoo treatment has not worked either (later a special shampoo over the affected area for several minutes, then wash off), and causes bad inflamation later on in the day 3.) The sporonax anti-fungal pills were supposed to clear up SD, and they did not help me at all. Alot of doctors think I DO have it because my chest can become red and irritated, and I used to have bad dandruff (before I used T-Gel shampoo), and of course my age. I think I have rosacea because: 1.) My dad has a bad case.. and well, bad genes. 2.) The skin burns when under stress, in heat, or I come in contact with a trigger. 3.) The capillaries that are visible 4.) Reoccuring eye infections (Blepharitis -- pics here: ./topic-12083.html) The main reason why derms say I dont have rosacea is: there are no bumps, my young age, and the fact that metrogel has not helped AT ALL. **just a note: generally before taking a shower, my skin can be quite calm and not very red or inflamed -- so its at it's best right when I wake up** Im currently retrying the SD treatment with shampoo, but yesterday it gave me a bad flush many hours later -- Im willing to try a few more days though. Anyone have any clue........ if so any reccomendations on how to deal with this? Nothing has really helped except: 'prosacea' has kind of calmed my skin down I think.. I'm sick of not knowing.. Thanks for reading |
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Joined: 25 Sep 2007
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: | |
i got the same problemo. its like a red line running over my cheecks and nose, no bumps also. i havent used any creme or shampoo, i dont wanna fuck it up more  i have got some very good days, i remember a day in the summer when i took picture of myself and the redness was almost gone, but the fun lasted few hours. so, i am tryng to figure out whats causing the reddness(with one person from this forum  :d. yo ). im changeing my eating habbits, i started to sweat, drinking more water...also, sometimes my face skin so very dry, when i strain my face muscels it feels like the skin is craking/crazeing., but some other days skin feels a bit oily again.
i find these thing to smoothen my reddness/skin: sun is very good, but not too much sun, maybe minute or 2, look into sun eyes closed. then deal your things and when you feel that your skin needs sun, do it again swimming in lake or river( cant tell how seawater works) smooth water also makes it softer and better.(i have bad water in home, low ph) mild wind
and, not dealing only with yourself. working only with yourself tires out. go outside alone, go into woods, walk, feel the world around you, dont think about your problems. it helps me. now i rememberd that in summer when i got good days i was drinking about 2 bottles of beer everyday, sweat quite much and went to swimming every day, or twice a day, didnt eat so much, drank more water. feel the earth, feel the universe. |
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Joined: 26 Sep 2005
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: | |
| Non of us are doctors, plus we cannot see you in the flesh, but that looks so ROSACEA that there cannot be much doubt in my mind.
You have taken anti fungicidals, you could try an anti fungicidal cream (not a cortisone steroid), if it does not improve then, you can be pretty sure its rosacea and not seb derm. Yes it is true if you put a cortisone cream on anything which is red and inflamed, even rosacea you will have a very short-term improvement, but then it will make things a lot worse. Iam convinced it is rosacea, and has to be treat as such! |
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Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Location: Dorset, UK
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: | |
First can I say that I absolutly love your sketch. I would quite like to use it for my avatar 
With regards you condition on the surface it looks like classic rosacea. However when I have seb derm it does not react well to any of the conventional treatments. If I use cortisone it only works for a few days and then reverts back to the original state. The shampoo may be irritating your face-perhaps it will be worth trying Born to be mild as the active ingredient is meant to be great for seb derm: http://www.dermadoctor.com/product.asp?productid=1527&AID=5184&s_kwcid=dermadoctor%20born%20to%20be%20mild|831701233 |
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Joined: 02 Sep 2007
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: | |
| @ Putiton:
Hmm.. Sounds like we have pretty similar conditions. Do you happen to have any pictures? What are your eating habits like now? I have also changed mine: I no longer eat dairy, sugar, or drink coffee (I had allergy testing and I am allergic to wheat, dairy). Yea one problem with me is I don't sweat easily so I have no easy way to cool off. My shower is pretty much fucking seawater -- I had it tested and it has like 10 times more salt than it is supposed to be at (no exaggeration) and my parents are too lazy to buy a filter, so I think the water is very irritating. I need to test it's pH, havent done that. Man where do you live??? Lakes, rivers... Sounds like you live pretty far out. Sounds nice compared to being in the city. @ MARPUSBEAN: I will definately try an anti-fungicidal cream to see if it works. I've suspected rosacea all along. Im afraid that it is a mix, just making things more complicated. Yea.. I remember the one day when I used the hydrocortisone, and the redness was COMPLETELY gone. I was so happy. It came back tenfold the next day (which happened to be drivers license photo day). Now I need to find a rosacea treatment that works for me, as none have yet! The antibiotics and metrogel didn't do anything. Zinc Oxide sunblock and Prosacea are the only things that have SOMEWHAT calmed my skin. @ Philka: Hah. Thank you, Thank you. Feel free to use it and do whatever you want with it. I cant believe the derms I've seen. I remember the derm saying: This is NOT rosacea, as rosacea comes with bumps. I was too ignorant at the time to question it. I will look into the Born to be Mild (awsome name), you have tried it right? |
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Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Location: Dorset, UK
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: | |
| Havent tried it yet, just ordered it yesterday.
You are only meant to use it once or twice a week. Check out this thread: ./topic-12881.html Artist is having great success with it. |
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Joined: 25 Sep 2007
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: | |
| pic are here: ./topic-11922.html&highlight= this is good day pics i guess. but you can still see the red line. pics were taken in summer.
at the moment i dont eat fats so much, try to eat so few fats as possible. gonna see will this change something.also drinking more water, bottle water. and i dont drink nothing besides water, sometimes juices. i live in city also, suburb. nearest lake isnt far away, 4 km to walk or next one 7-8. in summer hiking/camping also, much as possible. also on foot or with bike |
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Joined: 25 Sep 2007
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: | |
| well, october isnt really a summer, so photos were taken in autumn! | |
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
Location: west yorkshire
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: EWIST | |
| Anyone have any clue........ if so any reccomendations on how to deal with this? Nothing has really helped except: 'prosacea' has kind of calmed my skin down I think.. I'm sick of not knowing..
Thanks for reading Dear ewist, Its just my experienced opinion i can tell you exactly what your problem is and what is causing you to be like you are. I don't have the thread veins only a tiny few but I have had everything and worse and yes you are well qualified to join the rosacea wagon. You see the thing is it is as i have posted fair enough i accept that it is just about impossible to accept my secreations thingy but meanwhile people just carry on asking the same questions. I am asking myself if stupidity is now part of rosacea or is it simply the unwillingness to belive. What i cannot understand is why people are even suffering from rosacea at all its quite cureable and the silly thing is rosacea is most certainly self inflicted we are maintaining our rosacea ourselves. Rosacea is absolutely nothing to do at all with skin its not the skin you need to cure its your digestive system that you need to fix first which is determined by what you eat and how you eat. Its not your own fault that you have rosacea is just the way your hereditary biology functions to our common everyday diet. Simply we cannot process the foods into excreatable/secreatable material so they remain but are toxic thats what rosacea is unfortunately. Just give it a honest try for four weeks you are a young man and I do not belive that you need this in the years to come there is no point in having to live with this when you and only you can fix this problem. Please don't take my post too personal I know you can fix it if you just try. You can read all the books on rosacea in the world it will probably take one a lifetime at the end you will will still be in the same position because all the available information in my opinion on rosacea is based on a false understanding which is that the skin is the problem. So at the moment rosacea is recieving the incorrect treatment and that is why no one ever gets cured. Its impossible to cure rosacea by treating the skin no matter what people might be led to belive. If you treat the skin it will allways come back. ANYWAY'S! |
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Joined: 08 Jan 2007
Location: new york
| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: | |
| Hi Drums,
Would it be possible for you to start a thread where you specifically discuss what needs to be done (i.e with the diet, what you need to eat, what you can't eat etc) in order to rid oneself of rosacea for good? I know that you have discussed this many times but I can't remember all the specifics ever being discussed and it would be so helpful to us all if you could post it in one thread that everyone can read. It would be much appreciated if you would do this for us. All the best, Melissa |
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Joined: 17 Jul 2007
Location: west yorkshire
| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: post | |||
Dear melissa, At the moment my time cicumstances are at an absolute minimal but now on top of this situation my wife has a broken leg so its difficult The other thing is also is that any spare time would be spent on starting to write my cd on rosacea. My real problem is that when I come home after tea its around 7pm if i go on the computer she then sees very little of me and i have a concious about it whereas i can write pen and paper within her company. It does seem a cop out but as i do not actually know how well i will progress with my cd it may turn out that i could use some parts of my cd to post and thats a difficult thing cause if people could read it here then perhaps then no one would need to buy it and also then it may affect the copyright thingy. I realise in this day and age nothing is secret for long either so its a difficult one! On the other hand the rosacea and skin world is a bigger place than this forum and anyways even if people new the cause they would need my solution and concept to bring about a cure so! Maybe you could express your feelings on this while i also realise it is better to do something for the greater good; its those people who go down in history. I am allready seeing a statue of drums being erected in Times square ha! |
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Joined: 02 Sep 2007
| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Re: EWIST | |
| Dear Drums,
How is your rosacea, you say it is quite curable so I am guessing that yours is pretty calm, or 'cured'? I agree with the theory of the rosacea being totally internal, and I have tried HCL tablets which, I was hoping would help in some way, but I did not really see an effect. If we can not process the foods into an excretable material, how do you suggest we work on this? To be honest I am a little lost, "Just give it a honest try for four weeks you are a young man and I do not belive that you need this in the years to come there is no point in having to live with this when you and only you can fix this problem. " --> I honestly have no clue what you are suggesting I try for the 4 weeks. Any detail would be greatly appreciated! I am very interested in trying out whatever you may suggest. Thanks alot! |
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Joined: 08 Jan 2007
Location: new york
| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: post | |||||
Hi Drums, I am very sorry about your poor wife and I hope her leg heals soon!! I do understand time constraints very well unfortunately and we all must prioritize in life. I am disappointed that at this time you will be unable to post info about the diet and other lifestyle changes you are always discussing here. It is always so vague that I fear it is unhelpful to most everyone who reads your posts and I know that you really do want to help your fellow rosaceans. I do understand that you want to be able to sell your CD on this matter and to post it here might affect future sales and I have no answer to that dilemma except to say that we are a small community in the grander scheme of things and perhaps if you posted here it and was successful it might spur on your sales in the future to the greater community outside of this forum. Just a thought to chew on and best of luck with your wife! Best wishes, Melissa |
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Joined: 28 Aug 2006
| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: | |
I am confused? you "know" of a "cure" and can't post it but will "sell it" on a CD????  _________________ Dx 1998 No meds Used low-dose accutane successfully |
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Joined: 17 Jul 2007
Location: west yorkshire
| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: post | |||
Dear Lookout, I started posting in 2005 between then and now I not only have posted the cause of rosacea that’s been here for some considerable time and have written post based around this. In fact all my posts have been based on a solution in preventing rosacea but for whatever reason somehow it’s obviously just not compatible with the majority view on rosacea and that’s perfectly all right by me I don’t mind. Its been muted that drums is basically off his head and talks a load of nonsense that’s ok I don’t mind either. Mostly the comment is well not everybody is the same you are all different which I find is just nonsense to disguise well we don’t understand or more so well we cannot be bothered with it all, and that’s ok also. My answer is the cause is the same it just manifest differently dependent upon mainly two factors but anyway! To all those people who think of me this way I would ask them directly have you ever read a book on human biology and understand what digestion of foods is about. I mention this because if those people who have thought of me in this way and criticised my posts must never have read such a book or if they have then its unfortunate. Let me make it clear before anyone interprets my cd intentions as me trying to use this forum to sell it here I am not and do not wish to. In the end I believe that I have done my utmost to share what I had but I and realise the need to move on with this. Another thing I believe in is when people have to pay for something it shows their determining a serious interest and such people will take more notice of the information they have purchased also they can keep coming back to it when they may have not earlier. Whereas when people are offered the same advise which is given freely is quickly disregarded and forgot about rather than taking the trouble to look into things further they just keep asking the same question only in a different way Basically. are not willing to try something put in the time and effort until either success or failure is proven. So in that sence for them there is no cure and probably the reason why the doctors say well there is no cure it is easier that way. Its odd that I have been posting here for some time but not until now has anyone mentioned oh drums has a cure but all of a sudden just because I said I was going to sell a cd with a cure for rosacea it gets someone’s attention now I am the one that is where I just don't belive it ! |
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