Vasomotor rhinitis anyone?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Vasomotor rhinitis anyone? | |
| We often discuss on these boards other conditions that rosacea sufferers seem to be afflicted with such as Raynaud or IBS. I suffer from both of these but i also have a constant runny nose. It could be allergic but it seems to happen so often and in a way that seems unconnected to allergens, i think. I googled runny nose and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasomotor_rhinitis Reading the Causes section made me think i was reading about rosacea. It might not be connected but i thought it was interesting nonetheless. |
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Location: UK
| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: | |
| Interesting. I'm sure I have a mild form of the same thing, as well as a mild form of Raynauds.
Presumably the rosacea treatments - like grapeseed extract - directed towards strengthening the blood vessels and making them more elastic etc would have an effect. But it seems to me that the real culprit is the autonomic nervous system (ANS), mentioned in article, which controls the dilation and contraction of the vessels. Its just out of kilter in all these conditions. So either this, or a fundamental process involved in carrying info from the ANS to the blood vessels, seems a good candidate for attention. Trouble is, I'm finding it difficult to find medications that 'stabilise' the ANS, rather than just unbalancing it in the other direction (note that the article mentions 'decongestants', a side-effect of which is to make you jittery, since it is overstimulating the other part of the ANS). I'm looking into herbal stuff at the moment, since they're generally 'restorative' and sufficiently 'broad spectrum' not to make you into either a fly or a potato. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: | |
| I have a lot of those symptoms too | |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: | |
| If I remember correctly Dan had a similar issue which was resolved after following the Cpn regime
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: | |
| I have to say that I'd rather have my slightly runny nose than go though that protocol. There's got to be a simpler way. Hope Steve's going to find it. | |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: | |
Well yes if it just dealt with the runny nose it would be abit extreme!! but it also got rid of his rosacea  |
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Location: new york
| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: | |
| Hi Alex,
The protocol is for people who are suffering from their systemic medical diseases that are affecting their quality of life. Also, to prevent it worsening in the future. It's very scary what Cpn can do to you over time. I am not saying that's what's causing our rosacea or IBS, fibromyalgia, Raynaud's, asthma etc. but if we do have it in our body and it is manifesting itself in this way it will only cause more damage over time and then it may be too late to control. I almost wish that I do have it so then I can be treated and done with this forever. And while it's true it is a long and tough treatment it is only that way if you ARE infected with Cpn. And that's the only way to eradicate it from your body. Just my thoughts. Best wishes, Melissa |
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Location: uk
| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: | |
| This is a good topic to bring up.
I have been on the beta blocker proponolol for nearly 3 and a half years i only take 10mg which is hardly anything but it definely makes my raynaud's worse and im wondering if proponolol could be cause Vasomotor rhinitis as i have for the last year been getting blood vessels around eyes enlarged and constricted causing dark eyes look aswell and very painful and i know proponolol constricts the blood vessels. I suffer really bad with sinus problems and feel like constanly blocked up with stuffy nose.I take propnolol for my skin flushing. It does help the flushing but worrying its causing other problems. I also get nerve pain in my face. I have recenely cut my proponolol dose down to 5mg and i think its not caused as much pain around my eyes and nose from the vessels constricting but my nerve pain in my face is worse i think propronolol some how decreases nerve activity. Its so annoying if i stop i have bad nerve face pain and flushing is worsened i dont what to do.Is any of you that finds this also a problem on any beta blockers?Or any meds that constricts the vessels. Does anyone have face nerve pain? I would be very grateful for any replies on this Thank you Sarah |
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Location: uk
| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: | |
| I have tried red light i did find it helped my sinus and nerve pain but did increase my redness and flushing at times. I have just seen this link and though show you all
http://www.androv-medical.com/product/34/medinose_plus Let me know what you think or it or if you have tried red light and how it affected you in regards to sinus or nasal problems |
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Location: new york
| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: | |
| Hi Sarah,
I don't know if the propanolol could be making your vasomotor rhinitis worse but I can attest to it making your Raynaud's worse. It reminds me of when I told my derm that I had to choose my face or my hands like Sophie's Choice LOL. Meaning that the treatment for Chilblains and Raynaud's is the anti-treatment for rosacea. So treating one condition makes another condition worse. If the propanolol is significantly worsening your Raynaud's I would look to other methods of treatment. I believe some people have had success with certain anti-depressants for controlling their flushing. You might want to try that instead of the beta blockers. Regarding RLT, what RLT unit did you use? Was it all red or a mixture of red and infrared? The infrared caused me to flush a bit but so far I am using all red now and no increase in my flushing. I am not sure if it would help your vasomotor rhinitis but you might want to try it and see. Best wishes, Melissa |
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Location: uk
| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: | |
| I also found this link regarding Rhinitis .Which there also mentions about about beta blockers and can sometimes affect Rhinitis
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=322 Hi Melissawohl, I did use a single head acne lamp all red desk top i was only ever was able to tolerate 8mins once a day which i used in the evening.Any longer would cause me to flush. I took it on holiday with me last year and it broke coming back in my suitcase from my hols. I then had ordered a new Led plate for my acne lamp and it seemed they have made it stronger, I tried it for a good two weeks the new one and i found i was too flushy so had to stop.Im glad to hear your well with yours. In regards to you mentioning trying different methods to help the flushing i am trying to find new things to replace the proponolol. Im planning on trying anti histamines soon and going to research other things that could help flushing. I did try lyrica for nerve pain and it also helped my flushing but made me put on weight and caused my face go puffy. Such a shame as i found it helpful for my skin. I have tried alot of tablets and am very senstive to meds. I have also taken anti-depressants and found they caused my to flush plus alot of other side effects. What meds do you take?Hope you dont mind me asking?Do you take any vitamins/supplements that you find to help you? Hope to hear from you soon Sarah |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: | |
| Hi Sarah,
I discontinued my antibiotic about 7-8 weeks ago (Solodyn 45 mg) and have also discontinued my allergy meds (Allegra 180 mg) and Singulair (10 mg) about 1 month ago. I take chlortrimetron 12 mg at bedtime. I have also recently d/c'd milk thistle and neem which were 2 of the natural supplements I was taking. Right now besides the antihistamine at bedtime I am taking a vitamin B complex, vitamin D3 (2000 IU), Oregano oil capsules, CoQ10 (200 mg) and Magnesium (400 mg) and my calcium supplement (Viactiv). The reason I d/c'd the others was because of 2 reasons. One, I was tired of taking so many pills (and I just couldn't tell if there was any improvement) and two, I didn't want to be on the antibiotic forever since I didn't know what the ramifications of long term minocycline use is. I really liked the Solodyn and it definitely helped because I hardly ever had any p&p's while I was on it. The reason I d/c'd the milk thistle and neem was because of a thread started by Dan in the RSG about how these supplements (cox/lox inhibitors) can make you susceptible to future infections by supressing your system. Scary stuff and not worth the risk IMO. Anyway, hope this helps and feel free to ask me any questions. Best of luck!! Melissa |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: | |
| I have most of these symptoms too.
My nose is always blocked/ runny and sometimes it feels like it is tight and swollen inside as the passages constrict. Last week my doctor diagbosed me with raynauds. Has anyone on successfully treated this or raynauds? I currently take grapeseed extract, are tehre any other supplements which could help this condition? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: | |
| The best thing for Raynaud's is to prevent your hands and feet from getting too cold in the first place. I had a severe case last winter and the only meds my dr could Rx me were sodium channel blockers that would dilate the blood vessels so I declined her offer. That would have made my rosacea worse.
Keep your hands warm, wear heavy duty gloves outside in the cold weather and if they get cold inside make a hot mug of tea and keep your hands around the mug. Prevention is key here because once they begin to ulcerate it is a real PITA to control it. Don't worry too much about this as many people actually have a mild case of Raynaud's. More severe Raynaud's is unusual. Has your doctor done a blood test to rule out lupus and other autoimmune diseases? They usually like to do a blood work up just to cover all the bases. Best wishes, Melissa |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: | |
| Yeah i always try to keep warm it mainly effects my hands and nose, which is harder to cover up. I had a blood test which came back with raised a.l.p; Alkaline phosphatase, which is usually linked to a disorder of bone or liver. So i'm not sure if this has any bearing on rosacea or raynauds, but m going back for another test in may. | |
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