Red Light Clinical Trial at Hammersmith Hospital
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: | |||
Hello Sarah Tony is using an LED lamp for the rosacea trial and the last time I spoke to him the plan was to treat the volunteers twice weekly at Hammersmith Hospital. I do not know the name of the lamp but if possible I will try and find out or you can ask him next time you see him. The link you have supplied shows the Beauty Skin fluorescent tube red / blue acne lamp which is the same as the Dermalux model used in the original acne trials which took place nearly 10 years ago I believe. Dermalux lost the franchise to the acne lamp a few years ago which enabled other manufacturers to compete with them in this market. The Beauty Skin lamp used to be a similar price but from what I remember the replacement tubes were cheaper than the Dermalux. The downside of fluorescent tube lamps are that the tubes have to be replaced ever 2 - 3 years and at £25 a throw it isn't cheap for the 6 tubed lamp I use. I have changed mine every 3 years and I reckon they can still be effective at 4 years. With LED lamps then tubes are not required and the LED light source themselves should last indefinitely. David knows more about this than me. Sarah when you do see Tony next can you do me a favour please? Ask him to confirm that I had rosacea, ask him about how RLT improved my skin and tell him you have heard strange unsubstantiated stories of people being badly burnt using lamps to treat their rosacea and would like his opinion. Post back here please the answers to the questions if you can. I can tell you exactly what he will say but I would rather it came via you if that's ok? Thanks Peter |
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Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Location: Dorset, UK
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: | |
| Peter
Many thanks for your reply as always very informative. I will ask Dr Chu when I see him but unfortunately that isn't until December. I don't think I am going to be asked to do the trial as I'm having laser treament as well and I live too far away from the hospital to go twice a week . 
If you hear what he's using in the study I would be interested to know in the meantime. Sarah |
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Joined: 12 Jun 2005
Location: Iowa, U.S.
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: | |
| Peter--any idea why Dr. Chu is spacing the red light therapy out the way he is? It doesn't seem like that would help much, or, at least, it would take a long time for any results to show at twice a week. _________________ 28 year-old male Erythmatotelangiectatic rosacea & Ocular 20 + laser treatments. Toleraine Soothing Light Facial Fluid for moisture, currently not using antibiotics. Using homemade red light LED array. Clonidine daily; klonopin sometimes. |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: | |||
Hello Sarah No worries it can wait till December. Let me know how you get on please. There have been a several lies said about me recently by an ex Forum member and I will be dealing with this on another thread later. One of those was that I don't have rosacea and Tony will confirm otherwise when you ask him. He already has his volunteers lined up so you will not be needed. Not the easiest place to get to is it and right by Wormwood Scrubs as well? No point at the moment as he has been on holiday and no doubt he has zillions of e mails. I will write later with some general questions on the trial and hopefully put something up here another time. Best wishes Peter |
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Joined: 26 Jun 2006
Location: Changing servers
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: | |||
Yes, please is there anyway to enquire if perhaps the testing could be split it up so that some have spaced out treatments while others have daily treatments? The consensus here seems to be that daily usage is key, at least while the rosacea and/or flushing is active. I'd backslide if my sessions were spaced out like that. I would hate to see such an opportunity as this not taken advantage of fully. _________________ I'm changing servers, links will be active again soon. |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: | |||
Hello David Sounds like another question for my list. Maybe the LED he has is high powered and he thinks twice a week will suffice? The other reason might be logistical, given that unless you live near the hospital it is in a very congested part of London and not easy to get to. I suppose the other option is for everybody to have a lamp at home but depending upon which lamp he intends to use the cost could have been prohibited. Dunno again I will see what I can find out. Thanks Peter |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: | |||||
Hello TP Well I am not going to tell him how to conduct his trial but knowing him like I do he will have done his homework. Remember he was involved in the original acne lamp trial. Sounds like you are having very positive results from your armoury of devices? Bye Peter |
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Joined: 26 Jun 2006
Location: Changing servers
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: | |
| Yes of course. Thanks Peter. _________________ I'm changing servers, links will be active again soon. |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: | |||
What yes of course don't tell him what to do or yes of course you are getting good results? 
I have read your other posts and it looks promising so far plus you haven't been singed beyond repair yet? (Bad joke but couldn't resist it lol) Great post from Banshee as well correcting your displayed spectrum. The cheek of that girl! You won't catch her out I promise you Seriously great to see her posting again on RLT as it is something along with David we have spent a lot of our time writing about over several years now.
Bye Peter |
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Joined: 26 Jun 2006
Location: Changing servers
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: | |||||
Yes of course to both. The spectrum was correct in as much it matched quite a few that I had come across. And I did not create it. There was such disparity with what I was finding that I edited it to be more generalized. And, yes of course, thanks to Peter and David for posting on RLT. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: | |
| Actually peter Led lights are not indefinate. I knew about this even before I knew about red led used for therapy. I spoke to david on msn about this too. Basically Led lights gradually fade away , unlike a light bulb which suddenly pops out. check out this website.
http://www.netl.doe.gov/ssl/faqs.htm Look at the question "do leds really last 50,000 hours" According to them leds will maintain a factor of 70 % brightness for 4 years of continuous use, however they also state that it depends on certain electrical and thermal properties. In my experience the high power of Red led therapy units produces quite a bit more heat than a regular Led light source, therfore the lifespan would only be reduced further. So led is long lasting, but its misleading to say "indefinate" since it gets weaker everyday. |
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Joined: 12 Jun 2005
Location: Iowa, U.S.
| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: | |||
That is 4 years of CONSTANT use, though. So, even at an hour a day, you're looking at 96 years of at least 70% output. David _________________ 28 year-old male Erythmatotelangiectatic rosacea & Ocular 20 + laser treatments. Toleraine Soothing Light Facial Fluid for moisture, currently not using antibiotics. Using homemade red light LED array. Clonidine daily; klonopin sometimes. |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: | |||
Hello David So you will be about 120 years old with a long white beard when your lamp goes "phut" and shuts down. Well seems good value to me and hopefully your rosacea will gone long before then? One things for sure I will be long gone by then
Regards Peter |
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Joined: 12 Jun 2005
Location: Iowa, U.S.
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LEDs are definitely a good value for the initial cost. Then again, the afterlife gets so complicated with its purgatory and judgment and so much uncertainty. I'm hoping my wings won't have rosacea, too.  _________________ 28 year-old male Erythmatotelangiectatic rosacea & Ocular 20 + laser treatments. Toleraine Soothing Light Facial Fluid for moisture, currently not using antibiotics. Using homemade red light LED array. Clonidine daily; klonopin sometimes. |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: UK
| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: | |
| Hello
I tried to contact Tony Chu a few weeks ago but he was away and I was on holiday abroad all of last week so I have been playing catch up with posts and e mails since. Tony is not the easiest guy to contact but then he takes a lot on and is very busy. Regarding the trial he responded by e mail to me yesterday with “Hopefully we will have ethics approval in the next few weeks” If you remember I posted previously that the ethics documentation had to be resubmitted hence the delay, so although it still isn’t very exciting at least something appears to be moving now. Assuming the approval is received soon I would have thought it would be unlikely to start this year but I will post anything else I find out in the interim. Sarah (if you are reading this) I know you will be seeing Tony in December? If you don’t mind perhaps during your appointment you can squeeze in a question about the trial and put an update on here for us? Thanks Peter |
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